I wanted to know if the new Pa Kua Kwon is better than guem. They both have an unblockable charge hit and both hit 4 times and 3 times but both are flipped. instaed of kiking its punching with 4 hit combo. the only thing is that pa can juggle. I have guem right now i wanted to know if i should switch to pa or keep it. I am an edger so juggle isnt THAT imprtant to me. but it is still usefu in 1v1. its k+g , double kick, juggle , and first punch has special properties (that are not very obvious) that makes his scroll great (go figure for urself =D) I'm really liking this scroll more than shoot and zin ok u should keep guem(Varja boxing) and get pa kua kwon aka hakkyokuken because both scrolls are very useful but hakkyokuken I think has a faster unblockable keep it, kwon sucks I say juggle are almost always better. anyways it gets kind of annoying to be called a noob if u edge. especially if ur in pro. get pa. Meow! this scroll is amazing for me. The damage is incredible ,drift, delay , and the scroll itself is very nimble and u can easily mix up combos. It has great stun and the k+g is very useful. Sonetimes I do p p or k k then k+g since people usually start Their own combo after a pause it gets them a lot , and after they fall I move away right at the edge range of their swipe and as they try to swipe me I I'd k+g again and knock them down again for a quick 300-400 damage and continue. The invincibility frames in k+g works much like MAS just that it requires a bit more startup time but its effect Is like a ram and u fan easily change directions and go behind your opponent the k + g also works really well in edging and against multple people for a quick knockdown as there is a period of invincibility and It excexutes fast with huge range Originally Posted by DeltaRecruit this scroll is amazing for me. The damage is incredible ,drift, delay , and the scroll itself is very nimble and u can easily mix up combos. It has great stun and the k+g is very useful. Sonetimes I do p p or k k then k+g since people usually start Their own combo after a pause it gets them a lot , and after they fall I move away right at the edge range of their swipe and as they try to swipe me I I'd k+g again and knock them down again for a quick 300-400 damage and continue. The invincibility frames in k+g works much like MAS just that it requires a bit more startup time but its effect Is like a ram and u fan easily change directions and go behind your opponent the k + g also works really well in edging and against multple people for a quick knockdown as there is a period of invincibility and It excexutes fast with huge range QUOTE FOR TRUTH Even though the combos are short there are so Many tricks and uses for this scroll that it can be extremely dangerous in many situations besides from the shoulder tackle the juggle is very good its hard to be panicked since it excecutes with a quick 2 hit launcher starting with a kick and the scroll itself has huge range so the juggle moves a lot and is easy to juggle people off The punches are also very spammable and powerful with a large amount of stun there are just so many possbilities with this scroll I can't type it all out =p I like it out of all the scrolls I tried so far- including zin shoot geum koro mao shao and street xD It has bag scroll kicks with muay thai knock range and drunk scroll juggle O_O with koroshu punch with GB :OOOOO and guem range with guem's kkpp O_O