Exploiting Warning - Freechest Con Artist - coc-trent Dispute

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    @Admin I believe you can check that.
     
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    also @Admin We should get your words on this. There has been much debate
     
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    Hi all just wanted to share my views.
    freechest well i know him personally.He bought account from me once.

    Looks like all the evidence are against freechest.

    1.The main proof as under7days mentioned.He asked Flagged Username to contact him on playerup to verify it's him.so i wanted to know did u created this dispute after freechest contacted you or before .

    if after, he may contacted u to resolve the issue

    if freechest contacted you before u opened this dispute then freechest is 100% guilty here.

    2.Like freechest said he threatened the scammer and he returned it.This is not possible for many reasons.

    A.scammer needs not to be afraid as you have no solid proof that its shawan laurance (as u mentioned earlier)

    B.if u look carefully there is no time shown here.
    also scammers don't write with such proper grammar using comma.
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    3.When u login to another kik id ur messeges gets deleted.then how u got these screenshots?or u said u have access to the kik account Flagged Username so u can easily made this conversation.

    show me messeges where u threatened him before.i guess if he was impersonating you u should have warned him at least once earlier.

    C.(Most imp)when rolan asked for screenshots u explained this.
    Screenshot_20170722-034724.png
    but when rolan said this.
    Screenshot_20170722-034731.png

    U magically had the screenshots?
    later u said u thought rolan asked for chat ss with op.but in reality u never had a chat with op on kik.then why u explained that kik messeges got deleted once u switch account?
    Screenshot_20170722-035537.png

    The easiest way to solve the case is to check gollums dispute.he said freechest commented on gollum post when he asked Flagged Username to comment on his post.if freechest did a comment then this case would be solved.


    For those who are new in dispute section and blamming @Admin for not taking actions please not.

    freechest was a very active member on this site.managing dispute and helping people except that.

    Admin cannot just suspend or ban someone while the dispute is active and both parties are defending themselves.

    Freechest don't take my comment in any bad sense.u would have done the same i u were in my position. just trying to solve the problem here.

    Thank you
     
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    [trigger]Guide - How To Report A Dispute

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    1. The dispute was created before I contacted him via PM. I stated in a previous comment that I was going to try resolve this dispute via PM, but decided to close the conversation and resolve it here for Admin to investigate.

    2. I have done it to retrieve victims' game accounts. It works when I provide screenshots from previous disputes of Admin releasing personal information and screenshots of the Terms of Service.

    A. If you look at the dispute that @sidd2112 posted, Shawn Lawrence has replied to it. Why would he reply to it the way he has if he was not the original owner of Flagged Username.

    B. Regarding the time, time stamps are not shown unless clicking on the message.
    IMG_20170723_195512.png IMG_20170723_195435.png

    B. Regarding the fact about scammers not using good grammar is not a fact, but is a stereotypical generalisation.

    3. When you log out and login to a new Kik Profile on Kik, all conversations are open but all of the messages get deleted.
    I initially thought that Rolan wanted screenshots of the conversation that Flagged Username had with under7days, but he clarified that he wanted screenshots of me threatening Flagged Username, in which I had taken before I logged out of my original Kik Profile to login to Flagged Username and secure it.
     
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    well nice new episode of freechest manipulating.

    @samsaha86
    At first i didn't accuse him directly for anything just warned people , so as everything were shown by timing here, he didn't quite trying to scam me even after i made the warning . this dispute was in warning section before it came to active ( admin can check )

    he started conversation seconds after i asked him offsite.

    He didn't discuss any disputes at conversation , he started it with title dots just to prove its him on ki k . and admin can check my playerup account and i can record video for chat timing at ki k. Not only screenshots with showing device time to proof it or even using teamviewers !!

    He had nothing to discuss it was after him posting here.

    Why would he leave the conversation if he started it at first place to discuss the dispute? To leave it for admin( his words)? Someone who spend his life time at dispute section wouldn't know its admin responsibility !!

    Why wouldn't he address it on public just like he is doing right now?

    If he wanted to escape from this situation He would better say that he started conversation to advertise account
    But the fact that he personal message me seconds after asking is quite enough.



    liars should have good memories , at this dispute you claimed having access to Flagged Username at july 11 the timing on your own (blur) screenshots shows that you had the conversation with him at july 19 , so did you threat him after having access to Flagged Username !!!!

    If its not him then why bringing us conversation timing from unknown blur picture , go to ki k message of the threat between you and Flagged Username while showing device timing as well (don't cut it out from the screenshots ) because we both know that changing your device timing will change ki k but it won't change for playerup.


    Rolan clearly said " you didn't even bother to take screenshots of your conversation with him during the time when you were threatening him as you said? "

    he obviously didn't want screenshots for conversation with me , but you only wanted sometime to make up your funny threat screenshots which no one can take it seriously.


    Now @samsaha86 if proper grammar is coincidence then please have take 2 mins and check this.

    I had some new screenshots from friends of mine around. I would like to call it

    Flagged Username vs Flagged Username

    i want you to check closely these new chats between Flagged Username and buyer that i don't like to mention for now. (Waiting for him to say its fake)

    1 - Flagged Username asked him for more maxed th 11
    2 - Flagged Username discussed epic.npc automated system for middleman
    3 - Flagged Username refusing to go first the same way. (okay comma no thanks)
    4 - Flagged Username complaining about middleman service

    http://i.imgur.com/zlt43jj.png
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    http://i.imgur.com/M2neLh7.png
    http://i.imgur.com/ypTqT2r.png


    Now check Flagged Username conversation with me.

    1 - Flagged Username asked me for more maxed th 11
    2 - Flagged Username discussed epic.npc automated system for middleman
    3 - Flagged Username refusing to go first the same way. ( okay comma no thanks )
    4 - Flagged Username complaining about middleman service

    http://i.imgur.com/5pGHfIS.png
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    http://i.imgur.com/9CZKDbn.png
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    http://i.imgur.com/TGM3SJN.png


    He is just wasting everyone's time here , Him Having access to Flagged Username is a fact no one can deny .. he used fake ki k account to indirectly scam people and that is the bottom line.
     
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    seems like it was tendentious to start his scamming activities , a cover to do actions and get extra cash under the table.

    his activity is worthless at disputes .. unless if mentioning involved parties , admins and middleman is considered accomplishment. Not to mention repeating the ( how to protect yourself from these types of the scam at future).

    Live example of paradoxical person who recommend middleman at disputes and complain about it while scamming or even buying accounts using his main username.

    To be honest it makes me laugh because he is doing both scamming and pretending to help people at the same time.

    or maybe he gained some experience from reading many frauds so he wanted to practice :sob:
     
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    I totally agree on your point about this part. From what i observed, i couldn't imagine @freechest who is pretty detailed in explaining things out to his clients/buyers and giving out his thoughts in every disputes he took part of will create a private message so that he can resolve his own dispute would just put a title "." and only say "hello" and then leave without explaining why he messaged him in the first place.

    Any take on this @freechest?
     
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    I contacted Under7Days to resolve the dispute, in hope that it could be resolved quicker via PM, but then I knew that it would be better if Admin could see the entire debate in case it wasn't resolved through the PM. Though, I do agree that it can seem suspicious.
     
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    I remember this conversation, I was contacted for assistance regarding Middleman Service. I was explaining to them about the new Middleman System that Admin told me about, Middleman 3.0, where Admin told me that the process will be more automated and therefore faster.

    You've cropped out the message to show what suits you.

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    Many sellers question buyers in detail when searching for an account and if they don't have what the reseller needs then of course they will say "No thanks", as I did.

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    I was contacted for assistance regarding Middleman, I agreed to Middleman being a time consuming process and told him that there is nothing I can do about it.
     
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    Please see Post #43 on Page 3.

    The Screenshots I have posted on Post #66 on Page 4 were not referencing to the threat I gave to Flagged Username, but were showing samsaha that Time Stamps on Kik are only shown when clicking on a message.
     
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    If you contacted him to resolve the dispute, why make the title "." and simply say "hello" and immediately leave?
     
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    I understand that this can seem suspicious. I should've clarified, before just closing the conversation.
     
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    • what dispute did you discuss? if you hit start a conversation at my username from dispute, the title will automatically be the dispute title itself not hello with dots .

    • I don't care about you discussing the middleman automated for epic.npc or complaining about middleman here , its the fact that Flagged Username did the same exactly before Flagged Username did that.

    1- I asked Flagged Username to contact me at playerup and he did seconds after me asking .

    2- what happend next is that i asked Flagged Username after freechest contacted me here " Then why do you have 2 kik accounts"?

    3- he responded " because one for buying and other for selling , so what now. " all shown at screenshots


    • why would he say that ? you said he can copy all your moves , so was he cable of accessing your freechest account to see the Personal message then responded that ? that respond only comes from someone who sent the personal message himself.

    • you are trying so hard like we are all dummies here , you can't escape from this ,if you did then everyone can buy some badges then start scamming people . anyone can start conversations and easily say oh i said hello to make some playerup friendship .

    • Who the hell would believe that, or even worse the scammer giving up on his account and deciding to give you his password instead of just deleting it ?

    • why would a scammer who use multiple VPNS and fake websites to send emails be afraid of your threat ? or maybe he is a scammer who care for you ?

    • why wouldn't he give you also the fake gmail he used to send messages if you threatened him that much ?
    do you know why ? because its a website you used to send gmails to me only once and its called anonymousemail.me so you will never be able to threat him and get that email because that site has no specific email and you used it yourself.

    • earlier at this thread freechest accused me for changing time. well ,to finish this I am requesting from admin to use teamviewr to check at every single details i just mentioned here , accessing my phone , ki k , PC , playerup username and password.
     
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    [trigger=by]For: Under7days Re: #71[/trigger]
     
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    That is correct. Though, it can also be manually changed.
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    Flagged Username was discussing Epic.NPC Middleman, I (Flagged Username) was discussing the new PlayerUp Middleman System, Middleman 3.0. Please see Post #67 at the end for more information.
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    In another post on Page 1 or 2, you said that 'I' hesitated to contact you and only contacted you a few minutes after asking Flagged Username. Enough was explained about this in Post #67.
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    This is irrelevant, because Flagged Username (I) did not say it, Flagged Username said it.
    What Flagged Username said does not match up to what I said in the PM ("Hello").
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    I explained this in Post #67.
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    My threat was to achieve myself from claiming the Kik Profile, Flagged Username. Kik Profiles cannot be deleted, and therefore he could continue using it in the future.
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    In Post #66, I clarified this at Point 2.
    I stated the following :
    "2. I have done it to retrieve victims' game accounts too. It works when I provide screenshots from previous disputes of Admin releasing personal information and screenshots of the PlayerUp Terms of Service."
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    He spoofed the official Epic.NPC Email, meaning that he sent the email from, for example; [email protected].
    This was their official email, sent from their official domain. Though, the email was spoofed, therefore Flagged Username or anyone who spoofs emails give an alternative email to reply to because they don't actually have access to the email they sent a message from.
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    I did not accuse you of changing the time, I just asked how we can be sure that you didn't do that.
    PlayerUp won't go to that extent, due to the fact that they are really busy on the Platform and they will also be taking the risk of facing Legal Law Suits for invading Personal Privacy, etc. Also, Team Viewer cannot help you by seeing the time in which the messages were sent and what the time was on the PC, because Team Viewer does not keep track of what happens and when it happens.
     
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    Wow stop embarrassing yourself.

    Really manually changed !! So you changed the dispute title you wanted to discuss to hello!!?, that what i just said you searched my username i gave to you at ki k then started the conversation to proof its you. so its not a dispute discussion as you said.

    playerup doesn't have automated system , both Flagged Username and Flagged Username which belong to you discussed the epic.npc automated system , both wanted more maxed th 11 , and both complaining about playerup delay middleman both talk the same and even the same no,thanks with comma. after refusing to go first.

    yes you contacted me after asking Flagged Username , and your explanation was to discuss the dispute and you made mistake by contacting me which you can't run away from it now , unless they give you a chance to scam more people and avoid these mistakes in future.

    The fact that Flagged Username responded in a way that he knows that personal message is sent to me is not irrelevant at all.

    how would he know that personal message is sent to me by your freechest account here at playerup :joy:

    So are you defending Flagged Username now ? its not only about words matching its how he knew that you personal messaged me here at playerup unless its you who did both ?

    you said "What Flagged Username said does not match up to what I said in the PM ("Hello"). ??

    so you expecting him to say hello at kik after 10 mins of discussing the account ? actually what he said proofs more that its you because i asked him "then why you have 2 accounts" he said that" one for selling and one for buying" and you wanted to proceed with scamming after the personal message.

    So why didn't you threat him at all previous disputes against you ? why only now you decided to do that ?
    why would he give you the password? why won't he just start new ki k account to scam people if he is that afraid of you? what do you know about him other than his ki k username to threat him with ?

    so all people Flagged Username scammed and all other victims who took their account couldn't threat him ?

    why didn't you get the fake epic.npc email aswell which seems you know that he spoofed it so you can't get it ?

    did he tell you that he spoofed it ?

    you said "PlayerUp won't go to that extent, due to the fact that they are really busy on the Platform and they will also be taking the risk of facing Legal Law Suits for invading Personal Privacy"

    why are you afraid of playerup going to that extent and doing investigation ? i already sent them emails you sent from anonymousemail.me to track your fake ips.

    Don't worry about playerup worry about yourself i am giving them all rights and power to check on this.

    you said "Team Viewer cannot help you by seeing the time in which the messages were sent and what the time was on the PC, because Team Viewer does not keep track of what happens and when it happens."

    did you just defend yourself without admin checking anything yet? actually they can see the time by clicking on messages and anyways changing windows time won't change playerup time and won't change the fact that you contacted me here and that you have access to Flagged Username.
     
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    If someone you believe has scammed you, please open a Dispute Form Here. Filing a report takes 2 minutes and will then provide us the necessary information to take action against the individual and assist you at resolving the dispute. Thank you for your cooperation on this matter and sorry to hear about the problems you experienced.

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    [trigger]Guide - How To Report A Dispute

    Automated Response

    If someone you believe has scammed you, please open a Dispute Form Here. Filing a report takes 2 minutes and will then provide us the necessary information to take action against the individual and assist you at resolving the dispute. Thank you for your cooperation on this matter and sorry to hear about the problems you experienced.

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  19. freechest

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    You keep debating the same thing, and I keep giving you the same rebuttal, just in different words.
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    Please see Post #70.
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    You are not reading what I stated in Post #67. I stated the following :
    "I (Flagged Username) was contacted for assistance regarding Middleman Service. I was explaining to them about the NEW Middleman System that Admin told me about, Middleman 3.0, where Admin told me that the process will be more automated and therefore faster."
    IT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED ON PLAYERUP YET.
    Flagged Username was talking about playerup Middleman which is automatic, it is different.
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    Refer to Post #70'
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    They didn't know how to do it. I explained how I do it, in Post #66. In Post #66, I clarified this at Point 2.
    I stated the following :
    "2. I have done it to retrieve victims' game accounts too. It works when I provide screenshots from previous disputes of Admin releasing personal information and screenshots of the PlayerUp Terms of Service."
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    Flagged Username knew that I contacted you because when he viewed my profile, it would say "Last seen engaged in Conversation" and so he would've taken the risk hoping that I contacted You.
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    You don't understand what email spoofing is. When an email is spoofed, someone is sending an email from an Email that is not their own and they don't actually have access to the email, that is why they will always tell you to reply to another Email and not the same one they sent the message with. Email spoofing does not mean that they have access to the email that they sent the message from, so that is why I didn't get the email because it is not actually his, nor does he have access to it, he used something to send an email from it but he doesn't own the email. Spoofing is illegal.
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    I don't need to say anything further on this. Enough had been said, it is Admin's choice on this.
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    Admin will be able to see when the messages were sent, but it won't match with the computer's time because Team Viewer did not record your screen during that time. Admin can choose if they want to do this or not.
     
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  20. OP
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    Stop trying to link us to posts with numbers trying to distract us from the main subject , i know what i said before and i am aware of it . If you bring someone who is new to this dispute he will see that you are the one repeating yourself by just saying ( discussing the dispute and having good abilities to threat scammers )

    A scammer who you threatened with terms and services of playerup !! it seems that he didn't know that scamming and fraud is against rules so you decided to give him a list of terms and services of playerup .

    screenshots shows that you discussed epic.npc automated system at both Flagged Username and Flagged Username so are you telling me now that screenshots are fake ? don't try to do that because you just approved earlier that you remember that conversation.

    Thats for automated system, what about asking for same (more maxed th 11) ( complaining about playerup middleman in the same way ) ( exact word matching at every thing including commas and same word phrases).

    I can't belive you just said "Flagged Username knew that I contacted you because when he viewed my profile, it would say "Last seen engaged in Conversation" and so he would've taken the risk hoping that I contacted You."

    Oh god told you the more you talk to more you build evidences against yourself ,so did it also say engaged in conversation with under7days ? why would he think that you are contacting me at all ? between thousands of members he knew you are contacting me? to do what ?


    you are just proofing that after i asked Flagged Username to contact me you got involved in conversation with me !! that also proofs your lies about me changing the time.

    you are a shame for all verified members.

    let me enjoy this please , let me play your game and go on with this , so he knew you are contacting me , the real freechest is contacting under7days . that is something would make him afraid because i am contacting the real guy and probably i am asking him if he is contacting me at ki k already. instead of him being afraid and backing off he approved the conversation , he didn't take any risks my friend oh sorry i mean you didn't take any risk :cool:

    Thank you for the precious information about spoofing... because that is exactly what you did ,
    so you couldn't get his fake emails because he used email spoofing , so how did you know he is using that site to spoof emails( to use fake epic.npc email)? I didn't mention anything about that site before you claim to threat him !! so normally you would ask for his email.


    for the 6th time in this thread i am telling you the more you talk the more to embarass yourself


    again let me play your game so,

    You said " that is why they will always tell you to reply to another Email and not the same one they sent the message with "

    once you magically somehow knew he has another email why you didn't bother getting it ?
    does having his ki k account stop him from scamming people? , it wont even stop him from impersonating you as you described.

    Are you trying to be smart ? changing the computer time won't change the already sent messages by both parties at ki k it also won't change playerup timing so its useless.

    goodnight smart


     
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