1. Date Dispute Happened October 14th, 2016 2. Are You The Buyer or Seller I'm the seller (service provided) 3. Total Transaction Value $100 USD, he paid $35, still owes $65 USD (all in BTC) 4. Other Parties Username LleixG (same user as seen here: [WTB] Refund Apple products to Spain | PlayerUp Accounts Marketplace. Player 2 Player Secure Platform. 5. Method Used To Pay or Receive Payment Payment for the service was in BTC 6. Other Parties Email Addresses [email protected] 7. Other Parties Payment Email Address [email protected] (if you need the blockchain info. I'll gladly provide privately, but I don't think that's needed since both sides confirmed the payment was partially made, then never paid the owed rest, as seen in the screenshots) 8. Other Parties Messenger Username Skype: lleix.g 9. Provide All Chat Logs and Additional Information Below LleixG (Skype: lleix.g), added and contacted me on September 27th, in regards of a PP claim, according to the services I offer (management services, recovering funds for my customer when scammed in PP). Since he started it and it was being reviewed by the time he found out my services, he wanted to fix anything that could be wrong and take the most advantage of the situation, trying to speed up the process as well. Originally, the amount of the transac was 350 USD (my price: 35 USD), confirmed twice, he then paid the 35 USD, but later it turned out to be 1350 USD (my price 135 USD, but we agreed 100 USD, then he would have to pay the rest, 65 USD, once the objectives were achieved). My customer owes me 65 USD, since the claim was closed in his favour (he was ignoring me on Skype, even though I had messaged him 3 times since his last reply, I had waited the maximum time frame of the resolution of any case, and he didn’t come tell me he lost, asking for his money back, reason why I assume he won). He had replied only after I reported him somewhere else. In the eventual case he lost and for some reason didn’t come tell me anything, he didn’t provide the requested, or didn’t in time and form, wasn’t sincere and exact, and lastly and the most important, he didn’t provide the required, before, while, and specially AFTER the job was successfully made, in order to be able to correct/fix/handle any further situation that may arise in regards. He broke all my terms of service, thus interfering in the handling of the case, being revoked then his right for a refund. In this case, he still owes me 65 USD. Spoiler: Full story with details He was disputing a 1 month and a half old transac by then, and he had lied on the dispute itself, because he thought that would make his chances greater of winning. I was able to reply on September 28th, and we went ahead. He avoided several requests of a pic(s) of the case I made in different times (he didn't say no, but he was clearly dodging), and was pretty sketchy about telling the other party's response on the case (with the excuse that it was written in german, 'poor translation') without mentioning he didn't ever clearly explain WHY the other party was lying, and had no proves. He kept dodging not to provide the requested, so I just went doing something else. He then briefly contacted me on September 29th, asking again for what I needed. He ended sending everything on September 30th, but sepparately and in partially (not as requested). Went ahead anyway and read the other party's response. He clearly gave me a mistranslated text, giving the response the opposite meaning as for my customer's explaination (text he gave me said the other party had no proves, and the original text I read said the other party HAD the proves). He had said the amount was 350 USD, and so it showed on the pic he gave me about comment history. So on October 2nd, I said price for that case was 35 USD. He made many unneeded questions then, which later I realized he wanted to use against me. We met again next day, October 3rd, he paid 35 USD, and again many unneeded questions. We went ahead then, and he sent 1350 USD as transac amount. I then told him I said 35 because of 350, and for the true amount it would be 135 USD. He asked to do 100 and I accepted nonetheless, and he would pay the difference (65 USD) later, once the objectives were achieved. We went through a few technical troubles, but ended starting it a bit later. While doing it, I stepped with the fact that he gave me a (wrong?) data, and it made things a bit troubled. It was successfully finished, though, and again, unneeded questions. I asked for a pic of the case listing, but he said he couldn't (chatting on phone as he said), he would do next day. I asked him to take a pic RIGHT THEN with phone, but he never did (he did on PC as seen, next day). So he did next day, October 4th and gave me an OUTDATE pic, reason why I asked to screenshare. He told me he couldn't, but could next day probably. So I asked for a gif, and he dodged again, and ended telling me he wasn't going to do it at all. "You shouldn't save that information", was his excuse, where I replied "No, I don't save data from my customers.". "then stop asking for it" he then said, which I replied on October 6th "This is not for me to save, it's to know.". He ignored me since then, even when he came on here several times and on Skype as well. I messaged 3 times since his las reply, never got a single word about any new. I waited the maximum time frame of resolution of any case, so I assume case was finished in my customers' favor (otherwise he'd just come to me to tell me about he lost, asking for his money back). He deleted all the images he sent me, after he stopped replying. This is a clear reason of him trying to scam. Spoiler: His Skype profile Spoiler: Full Skype chat, w/o unneeded/personal/private parts He replied after being reported somewhere else: http://i.imgur.com/8ByEwFM.png He was asked to post proof he lost, he sent a cut image that doesn't show any way of checking if it's actually his PP or the case ID (image doesn not longer exist). He then was asked to do a gif of his PP to proof his side, he then went offline there, deleted his messages on chat, and deleted and (I assume) blocked me as well on Skype. http://i.imgur.com/ykdYjMu.png Anything else you need, just ask me and I'll provide the requested. Thanks for all your time and patience.
@Admin may you have a look into this? It's everything there to either ask the user to provide the owed or whichever the procedure should be. Thanks for your time and patience.
@LleixG has been locked out as it appears he is connecting with other scams. What I need to know is what did you actually sell?
He had an open case on Paypal, and wanted me to do everything possible to win it, correcting 'wrong things' if there were. So it happened back then, and he won. In other words, the sale was about a service (made him win the case). He paid $35 in advance, and never paid $65 afterwards ($100 total).
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